Ash ([info]ashkosis) wrote,
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Aleister and Me
It has been quite a while since I updated this journal. In part, this is because I've been dealing with some health issues which took a lot of my attention. Perhaps a larger reason is that I've stepped back from thinking about Thelema so that I might eventually come back at it with a fresh perspective. I am not ready to do that with the vigor I want to do it with, so I'll simply jot down a few notes on where I stand now.

When I wrote my essay on Aleisterianism, I was motivated by the understanding that all spiritual systems are artificial (although they are meant to reflect the natural). They are constructed to help mediate the relationship between humans and reality, specifically in terms of meaning. There are of course many components to spiritual systems, including a desire for control, safety, love, power, and joy. But at the root, I believe, is the fundamental human need to be connected with something larger than or beyond the self, along with a sense of what such a connection means.

What I call Aleisterianism is a compilation of pre-existing spiritual concepts and practices that were meaningful to Aleister Crowley. They were mostly a collection of ideas gleaned from popular Victorian occult movements and eventually contextualized within the mythology Crowley constructed for himself. There was nothing especially unusual in what Crowley did; it was and remains a popular pastime with many spiritually-minded people who have strong personalities and a powerful imagination. However, few people will ever have the strength of personality that Crowley had, and his large body of works will ensure that the ideas he promoted and his mythology will live on.

My own relationship with Aleisterianism changed radically within the last three years or so. I lost interest in the hocus pocus, in the focus on Crowley the man, and in his personal philosophy. The trite master/slave mentality he promoted is especially offensive to me, both intellectually and morally. I also got tired of a system that was largely set up as oppositional—to Christianity, to society, even to basic human needs. In this way, Aleisterianism promotes rebelliousness; which is fine, of course, and can certainly be both fun and transformative, but rebelliousness is a largely an adolescent function. A fully mature system needs something more.

I fully admit that Aleisterianism's adolescent rebelliousness was a phase I needed to go through in my own spiritual journey. Now that I've reached a place where I am capable, albeit imperfectly, of examining my own feelings and motivations and also of making decisions that might go against the popular grain, I have lost my appetite for Aleisterianism's artificial (and often hypocritical) rebelliousness. Rather, I've come to a point where I am much more interested in integration—in the ability to be both a unique individual and a positive member of society. I am only just starting to explore that path and so I will leave that topic unfinished for now.

While many believe that Aleisterianism and Thelema are synonymous, I do not. I maintain that Aleisterianism is an expression of Thelema (just as OTO and the AA are expressions of Aleisterianism in institutional form). Once I was able to outline the nature of Aleisterianism to my own satisfaction, I was then better able to see what Thelema is. Said another way, I truly believe that there is a fundamental spiritual principle that runs not only in Aleisterianism, but throughout all the world's religions. It is that core Thelemic principle that I am most interested in exploring.

Now then, as I said before, all spiritual systems are artificial—my understanding of Thelema is and always will be a work in progress. That said, I have come to a starting place, a beginning Thelemic Thesis, if you will:

Thelema, at it's heart, is about the primacy of Universal Will as the fundamental spiritual force of being. Will is both primordial and constantly emerging, eternal and fleeting. We humans arise out of this paradox and mirror it—we also have, both at the same time, a deep abiding self and a self that constantly emerges from moment to moment. The aim of the Thelemian is to align, as closely as possible, not only these two "selves", but also one's consciousness and behavior with the River of Universal Will. Thelema is a journey both inwards and outwards, a celebration of individuality and unity, and a connection of self with Self and self with All (thus a variation on the Hermetic Principle: as Without so Within). In seeking the flowing center of the Sacred River, the Thelemian develops exceptional character, an appreciation for and curiosity about all things, and a new-found freedom to be the genuine person he or she is meant to be.


Some will say that what I've just described isn't Thelema. I respect their opinions. But please note, I have completely lost my appetite for debating it. I very sincerely do not care about the man Aleister Crowley or his status as prophet, guru, sacred scribe, or social lecturer—although some of his individual works will certainly remain on my reading list. Is my thesis "real" Thelema? Is it "reformed" Thelema? Is it something wholly non-Thelema? I honestly don't care. My passion is now focused on integrating Will with all areas of living—relationships, work, pleasure, intellectual pursuits, culture, and with nature herself. That is a conversation I'd love to have.

Over time, my conversations here will focus on the above Thesis, with a full expectation that it will change and mature. Please note, I am not seeking a perfect statement of Sublime Truth. Rather, I am interested in the process of discovery and transformation, and playing with words is one method I enjoy. I sincerely hope that many of you will continue to play with me...

"As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect." —R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"



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[info]kitten_goddess
2008-05-17 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Why the term "Thelemian"? The term "Thelemite" already exists, and seems to be much easier to spell and pronounce.

I am curious. Are you making a distinction between "Thelemian" and "Thelemite"?

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-17 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Good question. As with all issues of language, such terms are ultimately arbitrary. I actually find Thelemian to be the more aesthetically pleasing word (to my ear, Thelemite has always sounded like words such as termite or thermite). However, I am primarily using it, as you suggest, to differentiate it from Thelemite, which in my mind is equitable with "Aleisterian." In a general sense, it is a follower of Thelema that places Will above Crowley, although that is a vague definition. I don't know if the word will become better defined over time or become extinct... time will tell.

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He who is most himself
[info]rawmr
2008-05-17 07:05 pm UTC (link)
"Said another way, I truly believe that there is a fundamental spiritual principle that runs not only in Aleisterianism, but throughout all the world's religions. It is that core Thelemic principle that I am most interested in exploring."

Just as the patriarch of the Old Testament had to battle and defeat the "Kings of Edom" (metaphor for dysfunctional psychological complex), so do we all need to pursue the same if our spiritual work be anything more than pretense. The esoteric explanation of the Crucifiction I feel is the best metaphor ever created to describe the process, with it's 2 distinct parts: the sacrificed God (represented by Jesus/"true self" "nailed to the cross"/"imprisoned in flesh"; and the flesh of Jesus nailed to the cross/"sacrificed lower self," ie, the based instincts nailed down, brought under control, so that the intellect might raise us from that bondage to identification with that which is most Self.

So the question comes, since the base instincts and psychological complexes are all in the realm of the subconscious, how could real Magick/Mysticism/Occult/spiritual work, or Thelema as you like to call it, be about anything else but the subconscious and its psychology? Hocuspokus aside of course.

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Re: He who is most himself
[info]ashkosis
2008-05-17 09:14 pm UTC (link)
It is certainly reasonable to say that the spiritual journey is fundamentally one of discovery. Some people, and this included me at one time, find the tools of occultism/magick to be useful in this regard. But what many think of as magick—including invocatory ritual, astral travel, or divination—are not intrinsically necessary for profound spiritual discovery. More to the point, it is not so much about the techniques as it is about the intention. Any consistent and focused attention on attaining self-knowledge or connection with the All will yield some positive result.

The experience of this is, as you suggest, absolutely a psychological one. For some, this demeans the notion of spiritual attainment. But the human brain being the single most complex object in the known universe, I take the opposite view.

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Demeaning notions of spiritual attainment - (Anonymous), 2008-05-17 09:50 pm UTC
oops, sorry for the anonymous post - [info]watsongirl, 2008-05-18 12:29 am UTC
oops, sorry for the anonymous post, wrong user - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-18 12:30 am UTC
Re: He who is most himself - [info]broddhisatva, 2008-05-18 02:28 am UTC
Re: He who is most himself - [info]ashkosis, 2008-05-18 04:56 am UTC
If Thelema were to be more science than religion - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-18 05:38 am UTC
Re: He who is most himself - [info]broddhisatva, 2008-05-18 11:22 pm UTC
Re: He who is most himself - [info]keter_magick, 2008-05-19 04:59 am UTC
5:6
[info]panshiva
2008-05-17 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Your definition of Thelema above is basically just a reiteration of the GD principle of the union of the Macrocausm with Microcausm. I don't see anything new here.

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Re: 5:6
[info]ashkosis
2008-05-17 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I didn't claim to offer anything new...quite the opposite (which is one reason why I choose to continue using the word Thelema to describe my belief set). I'm interested in what I see as a fundamental element of the human spiritual experience, which certainly has been expressed within the GD and countless other religious/spiritual movements.

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Re: 5:6
[info]cadmus
2008-05-18 09:08 am UTC (link)
Is your misspelling of "Macrocosm" and "Microcosm" meaningful or simply an accident?

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[info]rasputen
2008-05-17 08:17 pm UTC (link)
I don't care what "they" say about you, I still luv ya bro!

I am curious as to your thoughts regarding predetermination and predestination relating to "individual" +Will and it's application to interpersonal relationships. Do you feel that circumstances of the ever present "now" are dictated/determined/foreordained through the medium of an omnipresent, omnipitant, and omnipotent "Higher self"?
Just my curiosity feeding the beast..
NOX/LVX

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-17 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Interesting question, to which I can only offer vague, unsupportable opinions. I myself do not believe in "higher selves" or spiritual intermediaries, nor do I believe in predetermination. I believe that existence is best thought of in terms of the process of emergence. Relationships, in this case, emerge out of the ever-changing set of conditions brought to bear (e.g. gender, social skills, motivations, cultural context, age, interests, capabilities, etc.). This complex field of variables gives rise to relationship dynamics, and can only be thought of as predetermined insofar as certain circumstances are fundamental (e.g. basic human needs, psychology, language, etc). Moreover, our early childhood experiences play a very large role in determining our basic, adult worldview, which will constrain us to a certain range of socially attractive others. But I personally think that looking to fate and omniscient third parties as an explanation for human events encourages cynicism and fecklessness.

But I could be wrong. :)

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[info]anubislux
2008-05-17 09:59 pm UTC (link)

Yeah. I'll part ways on the subject path. You're not even talking in the same ballpark anymore. I'm much more interested in exploring Thelema vis a vis Thelema rather than Thelema qua "Ash's personal prejudices" (which are little more than Thelema qua anything against "Crowley's personal prejudices"—which I don't see as Thelema either). Half your explanation here continues to read like a standard OTO perception of Thelema and so many are so over it already that anyone thinks like this anymore is just amazing to me. But I think that's more indicative of the "power" of the O.T.O. (or maybe the weak-minded neediness of its adherents) than anything to do with thelemic philosophy itself.

I really thought you'd grow through in comprehension rather than retreat into this kind of fantasy muck. But this near juvenile rebellion against so-called juvenile rebellion is the most hypocritical thing I've seen come out of you yet. I'd like to keep my fantasy of Ash—Thelemite or not—as a rational, head-together, interesting sort of person. And the direction you keep going is just not keeping that fantasy alive.

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-17 10:52 pm UTC (link)
It's funny...some read my ideas and think that I'm in bed with OTO (regardless of my retirement) and others read my ideas as totally antithetical to the Order. I guess it all depends on what one brings to the text.

If you aren't interested in reading about Thelema as I understand it, why read my journal? Further, why would you spend your time reading posts that you see as hypocritical, irrational, or boring? If you want to add your ideas, then fine...but criticizing me for expressing my own in my own journal is not welcome.

However, the "rebellion against rebellion" notion put a smile on my face, so thank you for that.

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[info]solis93
2008-05-17 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Hi Ash. I hope whatever your health issues were, that you are recovered or on your way to recovery.

It is good to hear you thinking out-loud again.

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-17 10:41 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, G. I'm on the path of recovery, thankfully. Ill health sucks...it impacts everything in life.

And it feels good to be thinking out loud again. :)

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(no subject) - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-18 12:43 am UTC
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Ahahaha - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-18 05:08 am UTC
Re: Ahahaha - [info]ashkosis, 2008-05-18 05:14 am UTC
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[info]anubis75
2008-05-17 10:52 pm UTC (link)
Here's to your health Bro.

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-18 05:14 am UTC (link)
Appreciated. :)

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[info]omphalos111
2008-05-17 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Good to hear from you as I was thinking about you just last week. I hope the health issues have cleared up. Remember to take care of yourself even if you have a full plate with personal and professional studies :)

I hope to read more on Ashianism (or Ashian Thelema) as you continue to formulate and clarify your own view on the world. As always you are an interesting and satisfying read :)

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-18 12:58 am UTC (link)
I'm a little better every day, thanks. I've had to make a few minor lifestyle changes, but as you know, even small changes can be hard to make.

Regarding Thelema, something I've been trying to do is extricate my writings from the context of systems. It's very hard to do, and perhaps impossible in any absolute sense. However, I no longer find it very useful to wonder about whether or not my spiritual ideas or experiences fit within the "system" of Thelema, whether Aleisterian or otherwise. Said another way, the in-or-out frame of discussion just doesn't seem useful or interesting any more (even though it can make for very dramatic posts, as I've discovered). Again, I haven't escaped it yet, but I'm trying to get there.

I'd rather be talking about ideas on their own merit. Categorical debates have their uses, but they can also distract from more meaty investigations. This is my goal for my future writings here. And of course you are more than welcome on my LJ, being one of the finer conversationalists here.

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(no subject) - [info]omphalos111, 2008-05-18 01:11 am UTC
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That's why I prefer the term NaturalLawian... - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-20 10:58 pm UTC
Re: That's why I prefer the term NaturalLawian... - [info]baal_kriah, 2008-05-21 12:16 am UTC
Re: That's why I prefer the term NaturalLawian... - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-21 01:25 am UTC
Re: That's why I prefer the term NaturalLawian... - [info]baal_kriah, 2008-05-21 03:59 am UTC
Re: That's why I prefer the term NaturalLawian... - [info]rawmr, 2008-05-21 04:25 am UTC
FWIW, Observational Allsorts
[info]keter_magick
2008-05-18 05:59 am UTC (link)
I find it quite interesting to read the beginning of Ash's journey down a path known to me. It's not a common path, and it is certainly not for the faint of heart. On this path, you will have to gaze into the Mirror, see your true self, and learn how to Rectify (cf. electronic principle of rectification: to bring into alignment of polarity, amplitude, and phase) oneself with That which is greater than self.

I have written such an encounter into one of my books:

You build My temple with such thoughts?

Avery startled at the Voice and the tool fell from his hand to clang on the stone floor far below him. The Presence was upon him, a Force more terrifying than the Abyss: the Abyss merely stripped away all that was not eternal and indivisible, but the Holy reflected ALL, perfectly. To gaze into that Mirror unprotected was to see oneself as one truly IS...

Avery didn’t remember scrambling down the scaffold, didn’t remember breaking his ankle, didn’t remember anything until the next morning when he returned to his senses in the hallway outside the Vault door, shaking with cold, covered in sweat and vomit, wracked by agony.


FWIW, I have found the Path of Self Rectification (a refinement of Thelema and not in any way contradictory to it, but almost completely opposed to any form of fundamentalism, including Crowleyism) to be very demanding, but worth it many times over. In time, Art does become more Science, as actions produce predictable and repeatable effects, and the mechanisms by which these actions produce the effects can be seen to be consistent with principles congruent with or even identical to natural laws.

If sufficiently sophisticated technology is indistinguishable from magick, then sufficiently sophisticated magick is indistinguishable from nature. The perfect operation will look perfectly natural, because it aligned perfectly with natural forces in a cooperative, ecologically sound, and synergistic manner.


I don't know if you read my blog, or what you think of it if you do, but I have recorded some unusual results using this approach, although I don't have much to guide me, either: I think this is a relatively unproved Path. I would be happy to share what I know so far.

Rebelling against rebelliousness <=> moderation in all things, including moderation. ;o)

I don't know what your health challenge was, Ash, and I am glad that you seem to be regaining control over it, but I will tell you what I learned from having come very close to dying and having a chronic illness that I have slowly beaten back such that I am healthier now at middle age than I was in my teens and twenties. Illness in the body often follows from chronic misalignment of will and Will. And as I have recently discovered, it can even come from misalignment with another person, and (frighteningly) this person may not even be known to you!

I welcome your return to blogging, and I hope that you will similarly welcome me into your conversations.

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[info]undercrypt
2008-05-18 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Quite a nice thesis.

I wonder about the deep abiding self compared to the moment-to-moment self. Are those separate entities (as sometimes it certainly seems) or would it be more accurate to consider them points on a continuum? When I think about a surface self vs. a deeper self, a little voice in my head says, "Why stop at two?"

Interesting correlations with Thought and Memory.

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Why stop at two, indeed? :o)
[info]keter_magick
2008-05-18 05:00 pm UTC (link)
Pardon me for butting in here, but that gave me a giggle. The mystery of infinity, one, two, and zero is definitely afoot in this question. Or, is Schroedinger's cat...?

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(no subject) - [info]ashkosis, 2008-05-18 05:06 pm UTC
Thought+Memory = Self??? - [info]keter_magick, 2008-05-19 12:26 am UTC
Re: Thought+Memory = Self??? - [info]ashkosis, 2008-05-19 05:13 am UTC
Re: Thought+Memory = Self??? - [info]keter_magick, 2008-05-19 07:06 am UTC
Re: Thought+Memory = Self??? - [info]ashkosis, 2008-05-19 05:36 pm UTC
Re: Thought+Memory = Self??? - [info]rasputen, 2008-05-21 04:11 am UTC
Re: Thought+Memory = Self??? - [info]rasputen, 2008-05-21 04:20 am UTC

[info]excess_of_joy
2008-05-19 03:50 am UTC (link)
Over time, my conversations here will focus on the above Thesis, with a full expectation that it will change and mature. Please note, I am not seeking a perfect statement of Sublime Truth. Rather, I am interested in the process of discovery and transformation, and playing with words is one method I enjoy. I sincerely hope that many of you will continue to play with me...

I'm certainly looking forward to the reports, and want to add to the above well-wishes regarding your health. I certainly think that there is a lot of insight potentially to be gained in a spiritual practice of Thelema unhinged from Crowley, and since I continue to operate willfully in his historic shadow, I am pleased with opportunities to hear how things go for those who do not, but who still find value in thinking of themselves as Thelemites.

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[info]ashkosis
2008-05-19 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for your kind words...I am indeed recovering slowly and feel more well than unwell, which is a good milestone. The upside to it all is that it inspired me to make some healthy lifestyle changes, which is a very good thing.

When I was active in OTO, I felt constrained to tow the Aleisterian line. I'm not blaming OTO for that...that is simply the nature of institutional affiliation. However, being retired from the Order has released me to openly explore Thelemic ideas without needing to pay tribute to Crowley. It's quite liberating really.

Of course, I also still acknowledge that he said a lot of great things—I'm not "anti-Crowley"—and will continue to reference some of his works. The key for me is in a change of relationship between Crowley and Thelema. Metaphorically speaking, I see Crowley as a funny, loud, and often intoxicated uncle in the Thelemic family who oscillates between brilliance and embarrassing stupidity. But the fact that I'm willing to acknowledge his stupidity doesn't mean I reject his brilliance.

I appreciate your interest in continuing an ecumenical dialog with me. It is most welcome.

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Health Problems?
[info]shepjoe
2008-05-19 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Wahts this about HEALTH Problems?
I hope it's nothing serious and I hope you are WELL !

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Re: Health Problems?
[info]ashkosis
2008-05-19 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for asking, Joe. I've been unwell for about 6 months, and I've only just started to really recover in the last couple of weeks. Thanks to a few medical professionals, I've got a good idea of what's going on and feel confident that I will make a full recovery. I should be right as rain by the time I land in Massachusetts in Aug/Sept.

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Re: Health Problems? - [info]shepjoe, 2008-05-19 05:52 pm UTC
Confidence! - [info]mobyjane, 2008-05-19 06:53 pm UTC
Re: COnfidnece! - [info]shepjoe, 2008-05-19 06:59 pm UTC
Re: Confidence! - [info]shepjoe, 2008-05-19 07:57 pm UTC
Re: Confidence! - [info]mobyjane, 2008-05-19 08:31 pm UTC
Re: Confidence! - [info]shepjoe, 2008-05-20 11:47 am UTC

[info]wireless_soul
2008-05-20 05:59 am UTC (link)
Thelema, at it's its heart

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[info]schlaukraft
2008-05-21 01:05 am UTC (link)
Every time you post, two dozen people end up losing 2 days.

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[info]nrv_magick
2008-06-26 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Rather, I am interested in the process of discovery and transformation, and playing with words is one method I enjoy. I sincerely hope that many of you will continue to play with me...

A desire after my own heart...thanks for sharing your thoughts and process, and I look forward to reading more. I am in a similar period of research/exploration and evaluation, and welcome seeing what others are finding noteworthy out of our shared heritage. I've played with the term "Post-Thelemism", myself...but generally any such labeling is for my own amusement, as one who has to spend way too much time in academia and needs the giggles now and then.

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